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From: Herbert Poetzl (herbert_at_13thfloor.at)
Date: Mon 09 Aug 2004 - 12:30:21 BST

On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 05:38:08PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
> Can you please do something about the spam on the list? The signal to
> noise ratio is so bad, that this is sure to scare away subscribers. It
> makes it difficult for me to comfortably read through the list. I
> really want the vserver project to succeed.
> If the current list admin is unwilling to improve this situation, I am
> willing to host the list on my personal server and solve this problem
> once and for all.

I'd wish that linux-vserver community would act like
a community ... but obviously I'm expecting too much
here ...


 a) please contact Martin and try to help him with
    fixing mailmain to be able to subscribe/unsibscribe
 b) think about 'distributed' solutions to handle spam
    mail (for example a few folks willing to check
    each new sender for validity)
 c) setup mail servers with greylisting/etc which are
    able to act as primary mailserver for the ml

Here are some facts and my opinion, another poll will
follow soon:

 1) folks have been complaining since last year about
    spam and ml issues ...
 2) we are experiencing ml issues since april this year
    so it is not a 'minor' issue fixed the next day
 3) Martin is responding very quickly to my emails,
    complaints or whatever, just he has other priorities
    too (not just the vserver ml)
 4) the linux-vserver ml is a low low low volume mailing
    list, so the same amount of spam acceptable to lkml
    for example seems unacceptable for most folks ...
 5) none of us likes spam

that said, here is my optinion today:

 we should set some kind of ultimatum, and define the
 things which should happen to the ml until then

 if Martin is willing and able to fulfill those
 requirements, then he shall do so, if not we have
 to look for somebody else who is ...

 don't take this too lightly, as I know that ml admin
 is a very hard job to do, because it means that you
 only get a message if somebody complains, because
 something is not working as expected. you will get an
 email (or call) at midnight, and folks will expect the
 issue to be fixed immediately


> Warren Togami
> wtogami_at_redhat.com
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